/Improvised music, Avant-garde, Noise, Experimentalism, Free jazz, Chamber music/
Comment: originally these two long-running compositions were created approximately 20 years ago with the help of such legends as Joey Baron (percussion), Mark Dresser (bass), Phil Minton (vocal), and Gerry Hemingway (percussion). Initially the layers of the compositions were played in and recorded apart from each other and later elaborated and brushed up by Bob Ostertag and thereafter sent back to the musicians to learn their parts. The collective was born in this way. However, the outlet is very intense, noisy, and abrasive being immersed in various stylistic elements - extending from dizzy drumming snippets and Minton`s mad vowel/lycanthropic improvisations to few more subdued incantations embellished with the elements of chamber music all of that is wrapped up with the electro-acoustic ambiance. In a word, it sounds like a punk record within the plot of jazz world. In fact, it is much worth if to juxtapose it to a point on the average punk record scale.